tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post5828589290726737574..comments2024-02-16T12:37:32.727+00:00Comments on velovoice: REPORT: Bespoked The UK Handmade Bike Show 2016 (Bristol)Rebecca Oldshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-87938588100068622502016-05-16T17:23:57.410+01:002016-05-16T17:23:57.410+01:00Tim, I've just looked it up on Amazon. It look...Tim, I've just looked it up on Amazon. It looks well worth having so I've ordered a copy. Thanks for the tip!Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-11847898410535031642016-05-16T16:46:27.696+01:002016-05-16T16:46:27.696+01:00Have you got/read Tony Oliver's Touring Bikes?...Have you got/read Tony Oliver's Touring Bikes? If not I can scan and email you the pages on bikes for women. Its a bit dated, first published in 1990, but still useful infoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911346102327224757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-70057669183420063982016-05-16T12:58:13.088+01:002016-05-16T12:58:13.088+01:00Doug, you are onto me! (Well, I did hint in the po...Doug, you are onto me! (Well, I did hint in the post!)<br /><br />My idea is indeed a mixte… with clearance for 35mm tyres and mudguards, and load-carrying capacity for ‘credit card’ (in my case, that means 2 medium-sized rear panniers plus handlebar bag). <br /><br />My design brief poses two areas of difficulty. One is peculiar to me: my need for a high stack / short reach geometry and the impact this has on joint angles, especially the downtube-headtube joint and the entire bottom bracket cluster. <br /><br />The second challenge is more general but still comes into play because my aesthetic preference is for all the pairs of stays (top lateral tubs through to rear drop out; seat stays, chainstays) to be absolutely straight. How to accommodate clearance for wide tyres without bends or curves in the rear triangle and without ‘splaying’ the twin lateral top tubes as they pass by the seatpost? My knees brush against the top tubes on my Puch Princess mixtes already so angling them wider to create wider clearance behind the seatpost isn’t a viable option for me.<br /><br />As for the built method, my preference of course would be for lugs. But they may need to be custom-made (by Darrell McCulloch via his UK distributor Ceeway). I’m not sure yet what cost constraints I’d want to put on this project as a one-off for myself. <br /><br />If not lugs, then fillet brazing is the way to go and I do quite like that look. Of course TIG welding is totally possible but a last resort for me, for aesthetic reasons. <br /><br />So there we go. If discussions with the designer and framebuilder at Enigma get the thumbs up on structural feasabilty, then I’ll see about progressing this and of course will blog about it. <br /><br />Oh and then there’s the choice of steel tubing for ride quality… so many decisions!Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-19738941487891590752016-05-16T01:43:55.360+01:002016-05-16T01:43:55.360+01:00"The women who are no longer willing to do th..."The women who are no longer willing to do that tend to be very experienced touring cyclists, like Jayne, who know what works for them and know what they want but are getting older (or at least old enough to no longer be willing to compromise, in other words, old enough not to put up with the crap of what others tell them they need!)"<br /><br />Gosh, Rebecca, I think you hit this point quite well. This certainly describes my needs to a T! I ordered a bike...er...though I'm reluctant to talk about it quite yet, besides the bike won't arrive until July. I'm excited and nervous at the same time.anniebikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737989268380822651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-82027243358761519822016-05-15T22:38:43.068+01:002016-05-15T22:38:43.068+01:00I would like to see your ideas for a non-diamond f...I would like to see your ideas for a non-diamond framed touring bike? Could it be a step-through? A mixte?doug ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700352597204899258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-49885625931855504162016-05-15T19:33:46.515+01:002016-05-15T19:33:46.515+01:00Step through disc brake tourer - yes! Adam and I h...Step through disc brake tourer - yes! Adam and I have been talking about this. There seems to be a presumption -- if not that women don't tour as much as men, as I think that's an unsustainable proposition and most in the industry know it, even if reluctantly -- that women who want to tour are happy to swing a leg over a diamond frame plus the width of two fully loaded panniers. The women who are no longer willing to do that tend to be very experienced touring cyclists, like Jayne, who know what works for them and know what they want but are getting older (or at least old enough to no longer be willing to compromise, in other words, old enough not to put up with the crap of what others tell them they need!) <br /><br />Adam's first thought was, it's a limited market. But I don't think so (and he quickly saw my point of view!) Admittedly it's a latent one, just waiting to be tapped. Bespoked may not be the ideal showcase for tapping into that but surely more frame builders should be putting photos of this "what real women really want" kind of bike on their websites, especially in galleries featuring customers' bikes.<br /><br />I hope to pursue my own N+1 idea with (probably) Enigma -- something that I think would really appeal to a lot of touring cyclists of both sexes but especially women -- and I intend to 'insist' that photos get published afterwards so the wider public can see this kind of bike is not only possible but available if you know what to ask for. Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-37983855534813977482016-05-15T18:19:26.413+01:002016-05-15T18:19:26.413+01:00Jayne's pretty much set on the Beaumont. We w...Jayne's pretty much set on the Beaumont. We were supposed to be down there this weekend but health issues have got in the way. We also really liked the Hartley and spent some time chatting with Caryn. If she wasn't so far away she'd be on our list. Also really enjoyed talking to Richard Hallett and if we were buying for me, he'd be in the running. <br /><br />As we were specifically looking for a step through disc tourer for Jayne, I was disappointed with how few were on show. Practically everyone said that they could build what Jayne wanted just non to actually seeTim Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277034044977018254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-55510212359304983652016-05-15T17:42:24.736+01:002016-05-15T17:42:24.736+01:00Hi Annie, yes, I was going to flag up both those b...Hi Annie, yes, I was going to flag up both those bikes to you, especially the Beaumont step through. I hear you are about to get a step-through tourer? What did you decide to get?Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-26941406975392778142016-05-15T17:41:11.425+01:002016-05-15T17:41:11.425+01:00Thanks Tim, I was hoping you may have noticed thes...Thanks Tim, I was hoping you may have noticed these. Yes, the 'double tandem' is another Petor Georgallou creation - I found both mentioned in <a href="http://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c55-bespoked/99-bikes-of-bespoked-2016---part-1" rel="nofollow"> Anna Schwinn's article </a> in the Handbuilt Bicycle News e-magazine.Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-1576610832002126372016-05-15T17:35:47.343+01:002016-05-15T17:35:47.343+01:00Thanks for that, Doug, looks to be right! Just had...Thanks for that, Doug, looks to be right! Just had a read about the builder Petor Georgallou - what an interesting guy!Rebecca Oldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979821146538393459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-50875983346900219992016-05-15T14:10:31.991+01:002016-05-15T14:10:31.991+01:00Thanks for yours and Adams' interest in coveri...Thanks for yours and Adams' interest in covering this event. It's always fun for me to see where designers are heading. I found the Beaumont step-through style quite interesting- good to see a women frame builder elaborating on this concept. Also, like you, I loved the all red Hartley tourer. It has chunky tires and the red rear rack seems to virtually disappear and/or lends the effect of a skirt guard! So cool.anniebikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737989268380822651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-65843683093157683642016-05-15T11:00:30.913+01:002016-05-15T11:00:30.913+01:00I think the triple was also on the Dear Susan stan...I think the triple was also on the Dear Susan stand. I think the other is a Nevi. Tim Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277034044977018254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659690394638399722.post-39328901964790273542016-05-15T00:56:37.079+01:002016-05-15T00:56:37.079+01:00I'm fairly sure the one with the eggs painted ...I'm fairly sure the one with the eggs painted on the frame is a Dear Susan. Beyond that? Your guess is as good as mine.doug ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700352597204899258noreply@blogger.com